Schism and the Common Good
with Father Gruner being
interviewed by Francis Alban
Taken from Fatima
Priest*
*In this article, the introduction is by Francis
Alban. Questions and comments by Francis Alban are in italic print. Responses
by Father Gruner are in regular print. Subtitles were added by the editor of
The Fatima Crusader.
Ten years of serving Our Lady of Fatima had made Father Nicholas
Gruner a household word around the world by the mid 80s. His
Fatima Crusader now had a readership of over one million souls. He had
logged months touring with the Pilgrim Virgin Statue. Hundreds of thousands of
rosaries, scapulars and devotional booklets were in the hands of the needy, and
the poor were having the Gospel preached to them through these instruments his
work had generated. But the shadows of Church and State politics that had been
deepening all round his Apostolate seemed suddenly ever more charged and dark.
Yet nothing in the Apostolates history so far even suggested that a rest
or a lull in its agenda was in the offing. What would the trajectory of the
Apostolate be in the next few years?
Recently, on a May 13th anniversary of the first Fatima
apparition, Father Gruner sat in the living room of his modest quarters in Fort
Erie, Ontario, Canada, and looked back over those crucial years. To best
underscore the reason and the need for his Apostolates continued drive,
he verbally scanned the state of the Church in our day. With the comforting
rays of a classical Canadian sunset warming the library titles, he addressed
the issue at the heart of the consecration dilemma the question of the
actual influence John Paul II has on his bishops.
If the Pope needs to order the bishops to consecrate
Russia with him on the same day in their own cathedrals around the world, what
kind of motivation is he going to provide them? What kind of co-operation will
he receive from some of his bureaucrats in the Vatican?
Father Gruner examined the quandary through the prism of
salvation history.
Before original sin Adam had perfect control of his
faculties. One can say Adam was not tempted to over eat because his
appetite was so subject to his reason. It was obedient to his reason, as were
all his faculties. Thus, after he ate enough, the appetite simply turned off
until it was needed again. If he needed sleep, he didnt say wait,
Ive got to do this last job and stay up three more hours. His every
faculty was so obedient that it was not a question of his members saying but I
want to go this direction, I want to go that direction.
Today, after original sin, without grace and without
mortification, none of us would have any control.
We see the case of people who drink too much, who are not
faithful to their wives or husbands, not because they dont realize
theres something wrong, but because of original sin their appetites have
not been reined in by their reason. But Adam initially did not have that
struggle. What happened after original sin? He no longer obeyed his
reason. His eyes wanted to see what they should not see, his ears to hear
what they should not hear, and his wife did not want to obey him either.
Her own faculties did not want to obey her. These are the effects of original
sin.
Sickness comes about because of disorder, because the
agent of sickness does not obey the higher faculty. Ultimately, this is what is
happening in the Church. The disobedient bureaucrats have not obeyed God, so
they are reaping the reward.
They tell God, This is our church now. Youre
up in Heaven, were going to do things our way. Were not going to
listen to the voice of prophecy, were not going to reveal the Third
Secret, were not going to consecrate Russia, were just going to do
our own thing. At the same time, they say to their inferiors, you
down there, you must obey me.
Diabolical Disorientation
Since Our Ladys message, which is obligatory to
obey, has been largely ignored by those in authority, the Church is suffering
diabolical disorientation. People may do their best resisting the
disorientation but they dont have the specifics, theyre not
canonists, theyre not theologians, they simply intuit that something is
wrong.
Let me share with you a key to understanding much of the
disunity and division that has invaded the Church since 1960. I was in the
seminary in Montreal when I made one of my biggest discoveries during my
theological training.
In January of 1967, the Vicar General of the diocese of
Montreal put out a statement in which the basic impression created in the mind
of the reader was that priests and lay people were forbidden to promote the
message of Garabandal.
Nicholas Gruner, like thousands of other people, read that
letter and understood that it was his obligation under obedience to not promote
Garabandal in the diocese. Then he read it a second time.
I realized that no order was contained in it whatsoever.
In my thorough Germanic nature, I went to the Vice Chancellor of the diocese of
Montreal and I said, Do I understand this letter correctly or not?
I told him it appears to give an order, but upon careful reading it is clear
that no order is given. His answer was extremely enlightening. He said,
Yes, we wrote it that way on purpose.
It took me some time to think about it but I finally
realized the implication of such a diabolical technique. I realized I was not
bound to obey such an order not given. In Canon Law a person in
authority has to give an order and not simply imply he has given one. Second,
the person giving an order has to take personal responsibility for giving the
order. In this case it was obvious, by the Msgr.s own admission, that
they had purposely written the letter in such a way as to give the appearance
of an order, without having actually given it, so when proven wrong they can
state they never forebade its promotion.
Subversion
The library interior altered as the sunset darkened. Father
Gruner thought aloud about the whole nature of subversion.
Jesus tells us in St. Johns gospel that the shepherd
is the one that comes through the gate, but the thief climbs up another way.1
In Isaias, God, speaking to the prophet says, I have
not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth. In other words, God,
and those who act authoritatively in Gods stead, must be willing to
publicly take responsibility for what they say and do.2
Whereas a subversive, whether in the Church or the State,
such as Masons, do not give their orders in the open and they do not take
personal responsibility for the orders they give.
To this day, some bureaucrats, even in the Vatican, craft
a document to give the impression of issuing an order without any order
actually being given. This is not an accident or sloppiness but it is a
subversive technique. It doesnt look like it at first. The technique is
diabolical. This is also a schismatic practice. Schism in Greek means to
tear apart. Today it means to tear apart the unity of the Church. When
authority gives such non-orders, the faithful are divided. Those faithful who
think they must be obedient to the non-order frequently misjudge
the other faithful who are astute enough to not fall for the
non-order. Thus many good priests and faithful in the Church are
forced to work against faithful who, out of misguided loyalty to the
non-order, put obstacles in their way. The same technique was used
regarding the Novus Ordo.
In 1969, the New Mass was promulgated in such
a way as to give the impression that the New Mass was what priests must now say
and that the old Mass was forbidden.
But look closely and you will find that there was no order
given, that no law was passed and that it is not binding.
Nevertheless, you now have people saying, I will not
attend the Tridentine Mass, and they say to those on the other side,
You are disobedient. How can you call yourself Catholic and disobey
the order of the Pope? The confusion was deliberately caused.
One week after making this statement, Father Gruners
opinion regarding the legality of the old Mass received forceful support from a
high-profile Vatican official. On May 20, 1995, Alfons Cardinal Stickler,
speaking before several hundred lay people, canon lawyers and priests at Fort
Lee, New Jersey, confirmed that in 1986, a papal commission of nine Cardinals
appointed by Pope John Paul II found that the Tridentine Mass was perfectly
legal and in force and that no Pope or any other competent authority had
forbidden it from being said by any Catholic priest.
The technique is diabolical, Father Gruner
continued, and has set up within the Body of the Church, two opposing
factions. There is a battle within the Body of the Church because of the
technique. The members of the Mystical Body are warring against one another
because of it. You cannot give two contradictory orders and expect the
body politic to live in peace as God intended them to. Let me explain:
If a father tells his two oldest sons to paint the living
room green and then outside their hearing tells the next two sons to paint it
red and then hides himself so that neither the first sons nor the second sons
can find him, you have massive confusion.
Both sets go off and paint the same living room, each one
fights against the other because each is being obedient to the father. But the
father gave contradictory orders which causes in turn the sons to fight, to
break up, to tear apart unity which should be in the family. The fathers
orders would be causing a schism in the family. Such orders are wrong. If done
deliberately by the father, they are sinful. It is clearly an abuse of
authority.
You still get the same result if, instead of giving
directly contradictory orders, he spoke in such a way as to deliberately
mislead his sons into thinking he gave orders binding them to do a certain
thing, but some sons were astute enough to realize he had not actually given an
order and these sons were actually able to realize that the implied
order was sinfully imprudent and were able to realize that their father did not
have authority for such orders, and that is why he spoke that way, whereas, on
the other side, there were other sons who were not so astute and felt bound to
obey this implied order. Then the sons would still be at
loggerheads. Still a schism is caused by the deliberately schismatic command
and the father would be guilty of sin for doing such a thing to his children.
This is what is happening in the Church today. Let me give an example to
illustrate what is happening:
My mother judged me for years as not being obedient
because I ignored that bogus Chancery letter in Montreal. She did not tell me
of her judgment but held it against me for several years. It only came up when
we were discussing something else and I explained that I was truly not
disobedient because the Chancery never gave a binding order as I explained
above. She became angry with the Chancery officials for having perpetrated this
lie upon her.
Schism
Gradually the weight of the chaos in the Church seemed to
bear down on the darkening evening itself, as it had on the very Faith through
heresy, apostasy, schism.
Schism, Father Gruner explained means to tear
apart and usually schism is understood that someone does not recognize
legitimate Church authority. But authority can also be guilty of schism by
giving orders that are illegal or given in such a way as to cause division
among the faithful, as I explained before. St. Augustine says, In
essentials we must have unity, in non-essentials we have liberty, and in
all things have charity. Garabandal is not an essential. I had the right
to promote it and my mother had the right not to do so if she chose. This
deceiving letter caused a division between a son and his mother. This technique
is immoral, yet it is too widely used by some Churchmen in authority.
Abuse of Authority
Whos at fault? God does not contradict in
dogma. He cannot contradict a truth, neither can God contradict in orders. God
is not at fault in this but those who abuse their positions of authority
clearly are at fault.
God the Sanctifier does not contradict God the Creator.
There is only one God. God is the author of nature and grace. This is the
basis of the theological principle grace builds on nature.
The true Church cannot give contradictory orders. This
technique has been used to destroy the Church from within. The individuals who
have been employing this technique consider themselves more intelligent
than the average guy. But they are working for the devil. The Church is not the
bureaucrats plaything. These bureaucrats have caused a virtual schism.
They are tearing apart the Body of the Church by this technique of giving the
impression of issuing an order but not issuing it.
Church Law Must be Properly Promulgated
God, the Creator, God, the Sanctifier, created the Church.
He did not make the laws of the Church in contradiction to the natural law. All
public authority in Church or State in promulgating law must respect the
natural law governing men. Grace builds on nature, as St. Thomas teaches.
It is a principle of natural law that no Catholic
philosopher, no Catholic Theologian would denythat for a law, any kind of
a law, to be truly law it must be promulgated; if a law is not promulgated 3
then it does not bind in conscience, and we need not obey it.
Thus, in the example given above about the Montreal
chancery, I was totally not bound by that non-order. I was free to
disobey. Similarly, I am not bound by the non-command which passes for a law
to not say the Tridentine Mass.
Such orders are clearly causing division in the body of
the faithful. Such divisions are obviously and clearly against the common good
and it is clearly the abuse of authority by those in authority which is causing
these divisions.
Our Lord said, Let your words be yes for yes and
no for no, anything else comes from the evil one. (Cf. Matt 5:37, James
5:12)
This is particularly true in the office of a public
authority whether it be the pope or the governor or a judge or a legislator.
This seems to be a terrible persecution for the Church, this double talk
thats going on. With this persecution of the Church, you are being
persecuted, I am being persecuted.
FOOTNOTES: [1] St. John 10:1-3; [2] Isaias
45:19; [3] St. Thomas Aquinas, Treatise on Law, Summa Theologica,
I-II Q 90, Art. 4
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